Geodbear brought up an interesting question regarding our FBC Octagon dual league scoring system. Please read the Octagon Rules thread for all the details, but the basic idea is to add together each manager's standing in the Roto and H2H leagues and divide by two to get an overall number, lowest number wins. For example, 2nd place in H2H and 1st place in Roto = (2+1) = 3. 3 divided by 2 = 1.5. If that's the lowest score, you win. If your 1.5 is tied with someone else, you move on to the tiebreaker (see the Octagon Rules).
That's all fine and dandy, so who is currently in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the FBC Octagon? Let's see:
Standings Schedule Playoffs Head-to-Head Stats
Rank Team W-L-T Pct GB Last Week Waiver Moves
1. No Co. For Old GM's 35-18-1 .657 - 6-3-0 7 3
2. Dime Baggers 31-23-0 .574 4.5 5-4-0 11 22
3. Kud Idijoti 29-24-1 .546 6 6-3-0 3 13
4. We got Deng 29-24-1 .546 6 4-5-0 6 3
5. The Anti-Twardzik 29-24-1 .546 6 3-6-0 4 13
6. Blaze 28-25-1 .528 7 5-4-0 12 10
7. Team Jennings 28-25-1 .528 7 3-6-0 5 12
8. We are the Robots 26-28-0 .481 9.5 4-5-0 1 7
9. Dutch Warriors 24-29-1 .454 11 6-3-0 9 3
10. Crimedogg32 21-33-0 .389 14.5 4-5-0 8 3
11. Statsman88 20-33-1 .380 15 5-4-0 2 8
12. trip*dub 20-34-0 .370 15.5 3-6-0 10 8
Standings Full Standings
Rank Team Points Pts Change Waiver Moves
1. The Anti-Twardzik II 82 1 10 6
2. Kud Idijoti 70 -9 1 10
3. No Co. For Old GM's 66 2 2 4
3. We are the Robots 66 4 9 4
5. Crimedogg32 59 4.5 5 -
6. trip*dub 57.5 7.5 3 9
7. Team Jennings 57 -4 6 18
8. Blaze 54.5 -2 4 9
9. Statsman88 51.5 3 11 14
10. Dutch Warriors 48.5 -2.5 8 1
11. Dime Baggers 46.5 -3 12 23
12. We got Deng 43.5 -1.5 7 8
Note that identical records are handled differently by Yahoo in Roto and H2H leagues. SC and ed were tied for 3rd in yesterday's roto standings update ... Yahoo assigns each of them to 3rd place, then skips down to 5th place. The H2H league standings, in which samo, thelimey, and geodbear all have identical 29-24-1 records, Yahoo treats differently -- apparently assigning each manager a ranking based on some criteria I'm not aware of
I think we can all agree how Yahoo defaults on the roto scoring of ties. Both teams get the higher ranking, like SC and ed tied for 3rd. The question is, what about the H2H league
? You can see how the Yahoo default during the "regular" H2H season ranks teams with tied records separately. Intuitively, you'd think this ranking would be based on their H2H records against each other, but I don't know if that's the case ... samo (highest rank) beat geodbear (lowest rank) 6-3 but lost to thelimey 4-5 (middle rank) ... geodbear and thelimey have not matched up ... so you might say samo has the best overall record against common opponents (10-8), thelimey 2nd best (5-4), and geodbear the worsts (3-6) ... but really I have no idea how Yahoo came up with samo 3rd place, thelimey 4th place, geodbear 5th place when we all three have identical overall win-loss records
Once the H2H fantasy playoffs begin, we'll be keeping track of our own H2H records since Yahoo stops keeping track of full-season win-loss records, but the question remains how to most fairly rank teams that have the same overall win-loss records relative to the league but different win-loss records relative to each other.
Sooooooo, what are the current overall standings?
Its obvious that SC, as of yesterday, had a 1 in H2H and a 3 in Roto (due to a tie). That gives him 4 / 2 = 2. SC has an average score of 2.
Its not so obvious what geodbear's average score is. He has a 1 in Roto, that's clear. What is his H2H score? Do we treat it like Roto and say he's tied for 3rd so he gets a 3? Even though he has a losing H2H record against the team(s) he's tied with? If we treat it like Roto, geodbear has a 3 in the H2H league and a 1 in Roto for an average score of 2, meaning he's tied with SC for FIRST PLACE overall. Option 2
is to go with what appears to be the Yahoo default and break ties by using H2H matchup records. Option 2 would give geodbear a 5 in H2H and a 1 in Roto for an average score of 3. That would put him in THIRD PLACE overall (behind SC with 2 and samo with 2.5). Option 3
is to average the rankings of all the tied H2H teams and divide by the number of tied teams. In our case in H2H, we've got 3 teams taking up ranks 3, 4, and 5 = 12/3 = 4 ... we're all in 4th place. That would put our overall standings as: SC in FIRST with 2, geodbear in SECOND with 2.5, and samo in THIRD with 3.
Personally, I think Option 3 gets us closest to the actual performance of each manager. I'd go even farther and suggest ties in Roto should be handled the same way. That would put ed and SC each in 3.5 place in Roto instead of 3, which is actually a more accurate representation of the facts, since they're not sharing 3rd place but are actually sharing 3rd AND 4th place, which gives us an average of 3.5. SC would stay in FIRST PLACE overall, but his average rank would drop from 2 down to 2.25 (1 + 3.5 = 4.5 / 2 = 2.25). Geodbear would be in SECOND PLACE overall with an average rank of 2.5 (1 + 4 = 5 / 2 = 2.5). Samo would be in THIRD PLACE overall with an average rank of 3 (2 + 4 = 6 / 2 = 3).
I'm an Option 3 guy, and I encourage the league to apply the same rationale to handling Roto ties as well.
Comments from league membership are welcome, then the current Executive Committee of mbuser, Rounders Block, and samo, along with acting commissioners bokzg and jaytizy, will decide how ties are to be handled in each upper league for purposes of calculating an average rank.