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Richard Jefferson for Chris Webber & Antony Parker

Postby bloodface on Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:39 pm

This trade was proposed prior to Jefferson's injury and approved like right after it happened. I'm questioning if I should veto it (I'm on the receiving end of Jefferson) though the goal of grabbing him was for the end of the year (frankly, I can probably live with him on my bench for a couple of months). I am in a 10 team Head 2 Head keeper league with the regular 9 stats and 20 player teams. I am crushing everyone in points, 3's, rebounds, blocks and FG%. Am behind one guy in steals, and then my FT and assist numbers are in the mean. I use the roto scoring to guage how my team is doing overall even though those stats don't matter.

My point of making this trade is that while Webber is very valuable, he has bad percentages and Turnovers and is an injury concern to not just be out for a few weeks, but is in the category of "career-ending". I knew that Jefferson had some ankle issues, but the news that this is a Type 2 strain and he could be out anywhere from 1-2 months (maybe more) is a bit disconcerting, as if the Nets drop out of the race, the chances that he comes back and plays full bore are slim to none. So it's a much larger risk when that's exactly what I was trying to avoid.

What I'm specificly looking for is some analysis of this trade as it currently stands with Jefferson's injury versus what it's proposed idea would do for my team. Essentially he'd offer a similar amount of points per game as Webber, a few less boards and assists, more steals, but way better percentages and turnovers. His FT% alone might bump me into the top 4 teams in the league in FT% which will help in week to week contests. If Jefferson hadn't gotten injured I would not even be asking these questions or second guessing this trade.

Here is my team as it stands (please note we have an extra g, f, and 2 util spots as active over regular yahoo leagues, and extra bench spots).

PG-Tony Parker
SG-Cuttino Mobley
G-Quentin Richardson
G-Jameer Nelson
SF-Josh Smith
PF-Shawn Marion
F-Zach Randolph
F-Antawn Jamison
C-Mehmet Okur
C-Andrew Bynum
Ut-Andrei Kirilenko
Ut-Mike Miller
Ut-Shaun Livingston
Ut-Kenny Thomas
B-Andris Biedrins
B-Travis Outlaw
B-Mike Dunleavy
B-Luke Walton
B-Chris Webber
B-Anthony Parker

Any help greatly appreciated, and I will help, in depth, in return, for your time and assistance. Thanks!
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Postby rotosource on Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:17 pm

I say you still go through with the trade. It's risky - as you say - but Webber is a bigger injury risk than Jefferson, even including the ankle sprain. Jefferson should be out four-to-eight weeks, which is substantial, but in a H2H league it's the late season performance that really matters. You have a very good team and a deep bench - you should be able to make playoffs without Webber, and be able to carry Jefferson comfortably. It's always a blow to have a player get injured right after you trade for him, but in this case I think it's still worth it.
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Postby bloodface on Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:22 pm

Thanks for your analysis, it's well thought out and balanced. I was hoping you'd chime in on mine! Here's something else to consider, Marvin Williams is sitting on the Free Agents pool and was another reason why I wanted to make this trade so I could stash him as well. Does this make the trade even more worth it? I'm essentially leaning the same way you've mentioned, but just need some reasoned back patting to go on with it.

Do you think that Jefferson comes back from this though with the Nets still vying for a playoff spot? Would going after Diaw be a better bet?

And do you have a question I could help you out with?
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Postby rotosource on Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:48 pm

I think the Nets don't need Jefferson to pursue a roster spot in the East. The East is still pretty weak, and Vince Carter is on a potential-new-contract-fueled mission this year. Antoine Wright and Marcus Williams are playing well off the bench - the Nets are fine from a depth perspective. In fact, if they are pushing for a low seed in the East rather than a high one, it means that the Nets will be playing starters heavily late in the year. I think they're a high seed even without RJ, though.

I would take Diaw over Marvin Williams off of the waiver wire. The Suns still have to figure things out (can you believe they have the worst record in the NBA as of this morning?), and Diaw was a big part of their success last year. He's out of shape, but that should change after a few tongue-lashings by a livid Mike D'Antoni. I have Marvin Williams' upside as about 16 points and 8 rebounds - and that's his upside. When he comes back, he'll be rusty, coming off an injury. There are a lot of reasons to think he won't be at his best for another few weeks, and the Hawks are playing well without him. It may be tough for him to squeeze back into the picture.

As far as a question you could help out with, if you have a little time I'd appreciate it if you took a look at my website, and told me what you think - I've worked hard on it, and feedback is always welcome.
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Postby poorlilrich123 on Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:49 pm

veto!!!
webber is done and parker is horrible, if it was before the season started, then u could have allowed it, but jefferson is 10x better than webber and parker
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Postby bloodface on Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:53 pm

Diaw isn't on the WW, i was just saying should I try and go for him instead of RJ. I just dumped Marcus Williams for Travis Outlaw.

As for this trade being vetoable, I have to heartily disagree, especially now with RJ's injury status. I'm hoping up 2 draft rounds and I think that we really haven't seen Parker's full game yet. I'm worried this could bite me in the ass, but I could also turn Jefferson later in the year to a team who doesn't have enough good keepers in a 2 for 1.
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I would vote it down

Postby Elsy on Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:09 pm

Just because of the fact that Webber is still healty and playing well also Parker is going to be a big part of the game plan for Toronto this year. I would veto it and then either keep them or move them for someone else you think could help you.
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Postby bloodface on Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:28 pm

OK, this trade has the votes to go through. I will now have a FA spot to make a pickup, who should I go for? WHIR!!!

Marvin Williams
Darrell Armstrong
(Ind - PG) FA 452 65 .548 .750 11 48 10 16 4 1 3
Steven Hunter
(Phi - PF,C) FA 185 83 .867 .444 0 30 21 2 1 14 3
Earl Watson
(Sea - PG) W (Nov 14) 147 90 .349 .889 5 43 13 27 8 2 10
Ronny Turiaf
(LAL - SF,PF) Mem W (Nov 13) 494 96 .704 .714 0 53 26 5 4 6 7
Gary Payton
(Mia - PG) Hou FA 123 101 .381 .824 10 56 16 20 3 0 9
Carlos Delfino
(Det - SG) FA 459 110 .522 1.000 7 35 18 3 2 0 4
Ruben Patterson
(Mil - SF) FA 179 111 .439 1.000 0 45 20 14 8 4 14
Gordan Giricek
(Uta - SG) FA 273 118 .652 1.000 5 37 12 7 0 0 3
Juan Dixon
(Por - PG,SG) Dal FA 165 128 .421 .889 3 59 10 12 7 2 10
Malik Rose
(NY - SF,PF) FA 262 129 .857 1.000 0 20 10 3 3 1 4
James Posey
(Mia - SG,SF) Hou FA 130 131 .450 .833 6 29 19 6 3 2 4
Dorell Wright
(Mia - SG,SF) Hou FA 290 132 .370 .857 2 28 22 10 4 4 4
Nick Collison
(Sea - PF,C) FA 176 135 .382 .909 0 36 39 3 4 4 9
Johan Petro
(Sea - C) FA 233 137 .565 1.000 0 28 20 3 4 2 5
Bo Outlaw
(Orl - PF) FA 317 143 1.000 1.000 0 4 6 1 1 0 1
Jose Calderon
(Tor - PG) @Sac FA 227 147 .586 .833 2 41 10 16 4 1 8
Tony Battie
(Orl - PF,C) FA 144 152 .567 .455 0 39 31 2 7 5 7
Martell Webster
(Por - SG,SF) Dal FA 228 159 .444 .444 11 47 12 3 4 3 7
Linton Johnson
(NOK - SF) @LAC FA 465 160 .611 .889 2 32 17 0 0 1 1
Ronald Murray
(Det - SG) FA 226 162 .450 .643 7 52 13 12 3 0 7
Ime Udoka
(Por - SF) Dal FA 299 163 .500 .571 6 46 24 9 2 2 9
Sarunas Jasikevicius
(Ind - PG) FA 184 166 .333 .917 5 51 9 11 3 0 7
Bostjan Nachbar
(NJ - SF) @Was FA 489 168 .364 1.000 4 22 7 3 2 1 0
Kirk Snyder
(Hou - SG) @Mia FA 230 172 .444 .762 2 42 15 12 5 0 6
Shelden Williams
(Atl - SF,PF)
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Postby Elsy on Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:35 pm

Armstrong or Hunter
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Postby bloodface on Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:23 pm

Does anyone have any additional advice on FA pickups?

Essentially this is who I'm targeting:

Marvin Williams
Speedy Claxton
Earl Watson
Marcus Williams (who I previously dropped for Travis Outlaw)

My team is real solid, and what I need help in is Assists and Free Throws, BUT I'm not all that concerned about getting better in those as I usually pick a few stats to punt and go overboard on others. I'm far in the lead in Boards and Blocks, as well I'm #1 in points, three pointers and FG%, and also top 3 in steals. I'd really like to shore up steals and three-pointers and was thinking Earl Watson would fit this bill, especially were he to be traded to PG hurting team. Speedy Claxton is starting real slow, but I doubt that continues and he may be worth the pickup if he starts to truly turn things around. Then there is Marcus Williams who I was hoping to hold onto but also realized that in essense I don't need to gain assists and ft% and risk losing my fg%, and I'd rather target beating the two teams whom I know will be at the end and I would need fg, 3pts and steals in order to sway to my balance against them. Lastly is the guy with the most talent, Marvin Williams, who is way behind at this point, but also would likely get his starting gig back though probably play somewhere's around 26 minutes a night. At that point, I'd rather have Marcus Williams, I think. It all depends on his progress.

Thoughts how I could best improve my team with the above four players?

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