2012/13 season discussion

[nsink]

I'm a bit confused, cause I thought we didn't need to drop until we won a bid but if I win either or both mcroberts and Livingston I'm dropping taj and Clark for roster space,

[DVauthrin]

I'm not only dropping Motiejunas, but I'm locking myself from any playoff moves. I somehow did not factor in signing Shane Battier to my cap space on my own calculations and that's why I thought dropping Gooden gave me .61. I didn't have access to the new salary spreadsheet, but that's no excuse. It's my fault, and nobody else's. I apologize.

This sounds good to me. I looked through the 5 games that Motiejunas "played" for you for the two different match-ups and his stats didn't effect the outcome of the match-ups at all. Technically someone probably should have mentioned or directly reached out to you earlier to point out the problem. So I think you're floating between a minor and a major violation (since he was on your roster for so long), but since a minor is a 7 day penalty of no roster moves, I think its fitting that you can't make a move during the playoffs. We might have to reevaluate a minor penalty in the future though since without 7 day contracts its not much of a penalty anymore.

In the future lets try to watch ourselves more carefully and 1) get a better way to store, update, and view salaries, as well as 2) notifying someone if we believe they are in violation.

I realize accidents happen, but I hold myself to a higher standard than most, especially as one of the commissioners of the league. I should have double checked my own numbers to ensure they matched with my own, but I didn't. I shouldn't need the spreadsheet to know my salary, anyway. If by some chance I advance past Rob, I'll prohibit myself from roster moves in that round too. I'm not even opposed to a loss of a 1st round rookie pick for this kind of violation, minor or major, but that's for offseason debate.

[So-Tex]

I'm a bit confused, cause I thought we didn't need to drop until we won a bid but if I win either or both mcroberts and Livingston I'm dropping taj and Clark for roster space,

It's got nothing to do with the roster space. It's all about the cap space you have left. Sorry if this gets a bit wordy, but it's the only way I have to explain it:

Example: Say you have 2M in cap space left, and you have a maxed out roster. You put a bid for Player X at .5M for one year, and you win that player. You now have to drop a player from your roster to make room for him, yes. HOWEVER, when you drop that player, you still have to pay 75% for this year, plus 50% for any remaining years on the contract (if any). If there are no remaining years, then it's only the 75%. In this scenario however, it's NOT an issue, since you had enough cap space to cover the bid AND pay for the drop.

However, let's say you have 2M in cap space, and want to bid on Player Y, but his auction is currently at 2.25M dollars. What you CAN'T do is place a bid, with the intention of dropping a player, or players, AFTER you've won the contract, even if you drop enough in salary to afford BOTH the new contract and the 75%/50% from the drop. As dasein has stated time and again, under NO circumstances can you go over the cap! And placing a bid of 2.5M or more on Player X would put you over the cap. It doesn't matter if your roster is maxed out. And it also doesn't matter that you haven't won him yet. You simply CAN NOT place that bid legally, because it would put you over the cap - REGARDLESS of your intentions to drop contracts.

What you CAN DO is make the drop(s) FIRST, in order to free up more salary, which you can THEN use to legally make the bid. So say you do the math, and decide to drop a player whose contract is 4M. You make the post in the "waived players" thread first. You've already done the math and figured for 4M your cost for the waived player would be 3M. This is the amount you STILL HAVE TO PAY for that contract this season. After figuring this, you've gained 1M in cap space. So now, instead of 2M in cap space remaining, you have 3M. And NOW you can LEGALLY bid in the Player X auction because you have enough in cap space to place a competing bid without going over.



Yes, it seems a bit mundane because you HAVE to go in a certain order to pull it off. But it's there for all of our protection. Not that anyone from this particular group would do it, but if this rule weren't in place, those of us with little cap space remaining could get involved in auctions we would have no business being in, driving the prices higher and higher. Which in turn wouldn't be fair to those managers who DO have cap space because they have managed their rosters efficiently.

Again, sorry it got a bit wordy...but I hope this explains things a bit clearer.

And remember, it's not about having your roster maxed out! That's NOT what can keep you from making a bid and acquiring a new player. The ONLY thing that can keep you from doing that is lack of cap space.

[silentjim]

I'm a bit confused, cause I thought we didn't need to drop until we won a bid but if I win either or both mcroberts and Livingston I'm dropping taj and Clark for roster space,

It's got nothing to do with the roster space. It's all about the cap space you have left. Sorry if this gets a bit wordy, but it's the only way I have to explain it:

Example: Say you have 2M in cap space left, and you have a maxed out roster. You put a bid for Player X at .5M for one year, and you win that player. You now have to drop a player from your roster to make room for him, yes. HOWEVER, when you drop that player, you still have to pay 75% for this year, plus 50% for any remaining years on the contract (if any). If there are no remaining years, then it's only the 75%. In this scenario however, it's NOT an issue, since you had enough cap space to cover the bid AND pay for the drop.

However, let's say you have 2M in cap space, and want to bid on Player Y, but his auction is currently at 2.25M dollars. What you CAN'T do is place a bid, with the intention of dropping a player, or players, AFTER you've won the contract, even if you drop enough in salary to afford BOTH the new contract and the 75%/50% from the drop. As dasein has stated time and again, under NO circumstances can you go over the cap! And placing a bid of 2.5M or more on Player X would put you over the cap. It doesn't matter if your roster is maxed out. And it also doesn't matter that you haven't won him yet. You simply CAN NOT place that bid legally, because it would put you over the cap - REGARDLESS of your intentions to drop contracts.

What you CAN DO is make the drop(s) FIRST, in order to free up more salary, which you can THEN use to legally make the bid. So say you do the math, and decide to drop a player whose contract is 4M. You make the post in the "waived players" thread first. You've already done the math and figured for 4M your cost for the waived player would be 3M. This is the amount you STILL HAVE TO PAY for that contract this season. After figuring this, you've gained 1M in cap space. So now, instead of 2M in cap space remaining, you have 3M. And NOW you can LEGALLY bid in the Player X auction because you have enough in cap space to place a competing bid without going over.



Yes, it seems a bit mundane because you HAVE to go in a certain order to pull it off. But it's there for all of our protection. Not that anyone from this particular group would do it, but if this rule weren't in place, those of us with little cap space remaining could get involved in auctions we would have no business being in, driving the prices higher and higher. Which in turn wouldn't be fair to those managers who DO have cap space because they have managed their rosters efficiently.

Again, sorry it got a bit wordy...but I hope this explains things a bit clearer.

And remember, it's not about having your roster maxed out! That's NOT what can keep you from making a bid and acquiring a new player. The ONLY thing that can keep you from doing that is lack of cap space.

This is exactly correct. As mentioned a million times before you can never go over the 75M cap either in salary cap holds or salaries or combined. The point is I could randomly bid on every player available and simply waive my 20M contract to free up 5M (the difference of the 75% I have to pay in the buyout). However, I need to do it first, because if someone bids 5.1M for a player than not only would I not get the player, I would also just lose that player I waived. There has to be some rules and penalties for being over the cap and trying to get below it.

[So-Tex]

Congrats to DC on the win this season! He's having quite the banner year if I'm not mistaken!

And a big round of applause for all those who worked above and beyond to make this season the success that it was: all the committee members (dasein, silentjim, DVauthrin [if I'm not mistaken], and I know I might have missed one or two - my apologies!) and those who helped with the spreadsheets (scully most certainly!), and anyone else who pitched in. Great job fellas!!!

Hopefully, we can keep up the off-season discussions, and not lose anyone else to inactivity. I know there were a few things brought up during the season which we should address. But overall, I think this was the best season we've had as a whole.

Fantastic job, gentlemen! Looking forward to next season!!!

[raffrox01]

Congrats DC and thanks for the competition from all.

I've had a rather full on time personally over the last 18 months and I've had to review my fantasy ball commitments.

I'm unfortunately going to have to withdraw from most my leagues at the moment including this one. Apologies and thanks again for the opportunity.