TheRobSays wrote:Why not eliminate the bench entirely and have all players on active roster spots? Or reduce bench to two guys and go with weekly lineups or something like that. solves the problem of "man games" as everyone is treated equally and you have two bench spots to park rookies and injured players, almost like the real NBA.
Fenris-77 wrote:Well, the real NBA dresses 12 and sits three, but it's not the worst way to go. The issue there is that you hav every little room to carry injuries and developmental players, which is counter-productive in a salary league like this one.
Here's the real issue I see with this whole debate.
There's going to come a time when we have to draw the line at how we mimic the real NBA. This league needs to function as it's own game. We can add nuances to mirror the NBA (like the rookie draft, contracts, salary cap rules, etc.), but the bottom line is we need to address concerns to make this league not only more enjoyable, but more competitive.
I don't like weekly lineups either, but that's a personal preference. I can see the arguments for them though, even without trying to get my head around the math (x amount of missed games here, vs. y amount of missed games there, times the diameter of the sun... ). The one thing I DO see coming from those arguments are how weekly lineups seem to alleviate all the headaches which go into guessing who's sitting on any given night for any given reason. And that's fine. And I also get the gist that by going weekly, things will be easier to settle with regards to auctions (as long as the tie-breaker issue is settled).
But the more I read about it, the more I catch myself thinking "That's almost like fantasy football." And if I wanted to play that, I'd sign up for 6 more FF teams and just have at it when the season starts (if it ever does). Fantasy basketball is NOT supposed to be played like fantasy football. They play one game a week - basketball teams could conceivably play as many as five during a given seven day period. I could go off on several more comparisons here, but then I'd be waaaay off topic. Bottom line, fantasy football is NOT like fantasy basketball. And to me, going to weekly lineups sounds veeeeeeery fantasy football-ish.
Like Red and some others suggest, I actually like managing my team on a daily basis. I realize not everyone has the time to do so. But I do. And that's how I like to do it - play for the day while keeping an eye out for potential scratches, especially if I have bench guys who could fill the spot that evening. It's a bit selfish, I know, but that's where I draw the line.
I personally think we should move into something along the lines of what TRS says above. I've always felt that it really doesn't do any good to have the standard number of available slots, when all you can play are a bunch of rookies and scrubs who may not even play that night in real life. What makes more sense to me is to cut it down to size. PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, UTL - eight slots available on any given night. Or we could do one better and go PG, SG, SF, PF, C, UTL, UTL - seven slots. This would allow most teams to compete during any given match up, while still allowing for injuries and "projects" to sit on their bench. Remember, this isn't the total amount of players on a roster - we can still keep those limits in place - 12 to 14. But for game play, during our weekly match ups, I think a shorter lineup would make teams more competitive - or, at least able to compete without having to rely on some bench warmer who may get three minutes in garbage time.
As far as weekly lineups go, I vote no. But it's not a game-changer for me - if the majority rules in favor of weekly lineups, so be it. I'll just have to adjust. But I honestly think that going with a shorter lineup for actual game play is how much of this debate will get settled.
Just my two...
EDIT: Sorry Fenris, didn't mean to gloss over the rest of your post and just use the first sentence as a quote. You actually say it best with this:
Fenris-77 wrote:I do agree that this league could use a format that better allows teams to carry projects and injuries, I just don't want to move to weekly subs to get that done.