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Live auction draft with a twist?

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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby bokzg » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:13 am

raffrox01 wrote:I've checked out the doodle times and I can't make any of them. :,-(

Australian time they are in the middle of the day during the week and unfortunately I'll be at work. If the majority can make the times that are there then not sure if its right for the time to be moved. 12 hours earlier or later would work.

I'm in 3 other Cafe leagues so if there is a quick replacement then I can step aside as well.


Would you be interested in pre-setting player values in lieu of actually being at the draft? I know it's far from ideal, but I've seen it work and be successful in other auction leagues I've been in. If not, I understand and will see what we can do about finding additional dates or a replacement.

P.S. What times would you be available during weekends (PST time zone)?
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby thelimey » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:36 am

I've put myself down for all the weekend slots but the weekday ones are tricky as I'm in the UK, 3/4am is doable for me if its a weekend but not on a weekday. If its too tricky to also fit me in I can look into preset auction values or if it comes down to it stand aside & let someone else take my place.
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby raffrox01 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:06 pm

bokzg wrote:
raffrox01 wrote:I've checked out the doodle times and I can't make any of them. :,-(

Australian time they are in the middle of the day during the week and unfortunately I'll be at work. If the majority can make the times that are there then not sure if its right for the time to be moved. 12 hours earlier or later would work.

I'm in 3 other Cafe leagues so if there is a quick replacement then I can step aside as well.


Would you be interested in pre-setting player values in lieu of actually being at the draft? I know it's far from ideal, but I've seen it work and be successful in other auction leagues I've been in. If not, I understand and will see what we can do about finding additional dates or a replacement.

P.S. What times would you be available during weekends (PST time zone)?


I've had a look and any Tuesday (my time) after this next Tuesday would work.

Seriously though. I'd prefer not to hold the league up and I'm in 7 other leagues so if there is someone waiting in the wings, I completely understand. I'll have a think about the idea of pre-setting player values but I think that the auction will be half the fun.

Thanks for trying to be accommodating with the situation.
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby Droppin Deuces » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:22 pm

Agree with the most recent auction suggestion and Rounders Block suggestion to eliminate playoffs.
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby cnote23 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:18 pm

Droppin Deuces wrote:Agree with the most recent auction suggestion and Rounders Block suggestion to eliminate playoffs.

agree with me also in this league haveing a fantasy playoff would be pointless
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby bokzg » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:46 am

Based on the Doodle results, it looks like the two best draft dates/times are:

9/25 @ 8:00 p.m. PST
9/27 @ 8:00 p.m. PST
10/14 @ 5:00 p.m. PST
10/21 @ 7:00 p.m. PST

The first option is probably not viable because it's tomorrow and I still need to replace ardilla. Is there any way those people who can't make it on the other 3 days can try to make it? If not, are you willing to pre-set values and let it autodraft for you? I'd really prefer not to have to replace anyone else because this seems like a great group :-/
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby phx_2008_champs » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:22 am

So, I'm a little bit lost. In order to prepare for the draft, what are the specifics? i.e. amount of $ we have to draft players, limitations on how many studs we can draft, how long we can keep keepers, etc...
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby bokzg » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:43 am

phx_2008_champs wrote:So, I'm a little bit lost. In order to prepare for the draft, what are the specifics? i.e. amount of $ we have to draft players, limitations on how many studs we can draft, how long we can keep keepers, etc...


Pretty much this:
  • Auction draft every year with standard $200 budget. This would allow every person to have a shot at drafting every player.
  • Keepers will cost their bid value to be kept for the next season. Example: bokzg drafts Lebron for $70 -> bokzg designates Lebron as a keeper -> Lebron takes u $70 of bokzg's budget for the next draft. This will discourage/prevent overbidding on keepers.
  • Continuous daily FAAB so that all players, either FA or waiver, are added by bidding on a daily basis. This would make it so everyone has a shot at picking up hot FA's (without having to be online all the time) and assign values for budget and draft purposes. Example: Delonte goes undrafted -> bokzg adds Delonte via FAAB for $5 -> bokzg designates Delonte as a keeper -> Delonte takes up $5 of bokzg's budget for the next draft.
  • A player can only be kept for a maximum of 4 years, after which he returns to the player pool and is available to be drafted by anyone in the 5th year. That way player values are updated to their market value after the typical length of an NBA contract, and prevent people from benefiting too much from a player significantly outperforming their value.
  • The total bid value of each person's four keepers each season cannot exceed $100. This would probably make it close to impossible for anyone to be keep two top 5 players (i.e. keeping Lebron and Durant), and would add additional strategy in identifying keepers who will outperform their bid values each year.
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby jphanned » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:55 am

Like an October date. Gives us more time to iron things out, find possible replacements, and also fits better with a lot of our schedules I would imagine. Lot of us have a couple drafts going on at the moment and it'd be better to get them out of the way first.
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Re: Initial Draft as Live Auction with a Twist?

Postby jphanned » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:30 am

bokzg wrote:[*]The total bid value of each person's four keepers each season cannot exceed $100. This would probably make it close to impossible for anyone to be keep two top 5 players (i.e. keeping Lebron and Durant), and would add additional strategy in identifying keepers who will outperform their bid values each year.[/list]


$100 is too restrictive. The average dollar value for a top-48 player (12 teams, 4 keepers each) in this league is $28. That comes out to $112 per team. I proposed the cap on total keeper value as a way to combat managers bidding big on 3-4 players without facing any consequences. This goes beyond that to ensure teams probably won't be able to keep their four best players.

I have a problem with a manager winning LeBron, Paul, and Wade for $175 in the auction, filling out the rest of their roster with $1 or $2 players, then being able to keep them without penalty. I don't have a problem with a manager who chooses to bid big on Durant and Love then keeps guys like Mayo and Afflalo as his #3 and #4. That's fair game and a risk owners should be allowed to take, but that most likely won't be possible under a $100 keeper cap. It'd end up being Durant, Love, and two $1 or $2 players.

Also think about next year's re-draft auction and the massive inflation you'd be bringing on with this imbalanced keeper budget. Take out the top-48 or so players from the pool -- imagine how expensive that 49th player will end up being. You'd almost certainly have 5th or 6th men being paid more than 4th keepers.

Would bump that up to at least $110, if not more.
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