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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby Odin » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:38 am

though call but I'd go with Ellis ... way more upside !

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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby reptar15 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:57 am

moochieh wrote:In my league, you'd be crazy to trade Ellis, but in this case, his 3% is so bad that you must do this. Basketballmonster rankings with your categories show that Ellis is 14th round value and Turner is 5th.

Some other players that jump up in your league specific ranks are Kidd, Anderson, Richardson, Ray Allen

Here's mine: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=72765



i never played with these categories before
just use bball monster

ellis' value will be about the same throughout the year i don't see him becoming any more efficient
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby yellowishodie » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:50 am

I would stick with Ellis here. I think you could get more for ellis than evan turner. Ellis is not shooting the ball great but he is a prolific scorer and Turner is a terrible shooter. He gets you more boards but I don't trust yet his consistency
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby reptar15 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:55 am

melotime wrote:So people want Turner over Ellis simply based on 3pt% alone



based on whatever bballmonster's values are cause i honestly never played in a league with those cats before
if it's close keep ellis cause of his trade value

if there's a huge difference than take the more productive player
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sg: mathews, leonard
sf: durant, hayward,
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby yellowishodie » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:38 am

reptar15 wrote:
melotime wrote:So people want Turner over Ellis simply based on 3pt% alone



based on whatever bballmonster's values are cause i honestly never played in a league with those cats before
if it's close keep ellis cause of his trade value

if there's a huge difference than take the more productive player


+1 ;-D
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby melotime » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:52 am

3pt% heavily detracts from Ellis's value but I don't consider that a make or break stat
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby The Thrill » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:43 pm

melotime wrote:3pt% heavily detracts from Ellis's value but I don't consider that a make or break stat


If I were you, what I'd do is plug the team analysis into basketballmonster.com. Is your team strong, weak, or average in 3%? I really don't know. Ellis is weak. Always will be. That much we know.

From there, try to figure out if by losing Ellis, your team overall in a H2H strategy benefits, or not. Which categories will improve, which will be worse as compared to where you are strong and weak today. If you go from 5 strong categories up to 7 by doing the trade, it's probably worth it. If you're dropping from 7 or 8 strong categories down to 6, it's probably not.

Ellis likely has more perceived value than that of receiving Turner for him. But that may or may not mean anything depending upon how much it ends up helping your team overall. Maybe there's no impact at all. Maybe you just go from being weak in one cat to weak in another. In which case, there's probably not much point to trading Ellis' for Turner.
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby melotime » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:52 pm

Thanks Thrill, that's my main concern. In theory, the perceived value of Ellis is much greater than Turner. Ellis was a fourth round pick compared to Turner in the 9th I believe.
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby yellowishodie » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:08 pm

I think his 3% is terrible but you could definitely get more in return. maybe add depth. Turner is a great add especially at his pick which may sway the other GM
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Re: My Ellis for Evan Turner? WHIR

Postby melotime » Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:07 am

[quote="yellowishodie"]I think his 3% is terrible but you could definitely get more in return. maybe add depth. Turner is a great add especially at his pick which may sway the other GM[/quote]

what if I offer Ellis/Cousins for Turner/Horford?
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